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With the government changing tax laws to not allow business related expenses what does everyone on here think the personal cost of non-reimbursed business expenses cost a salesman?  Also, are there any national broad line food distributors that reimburse any expenses?
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As the Investigator will agree, get out of the business! Look for another career. The money making days working for a food distributor are over. Paper reps do well though. They can really tear the distributor apart when they sell their brands. Sheltered income 20-30% before salesman's
cost, Right! Now go out their and cry ya baby! 
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I do agree but then again it's the same everywhere. Any industry of size and scale has been taken over by financier interest and they've managed to re route the income streams so no one but them have access to any wealth. 

We need a complete reorganization of the economy. 

In 10 years should it last that long , they'll be these huge slave kitchens producing "brands"  made of yeast compound Matrix food that dumbed down consumers will order through their phone app. The fake Matrix food will be delivered by another idiot using his own car to transport what used to be called restaurant food. Essentially you wont need people which is something the Wall Street never wanted anyway. In fact they're (WS) cheering over this virus outbreak in China--they want it to come here and wipe out all the Los Angeles and San Fran homeless people first and then hope it spreads to another million or two Californians.  That will ease the budget for them. 
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When I retired from US Foods, they were reimbursing $100/month for smart phones. I could also get reimbursed for parking fees, and printer cartridges. 50% for gifts to customers (i.e.; flowers for openings). We used Runzheimer for mileage reimbursement. I believe it was approximately 50% of the IRS mileage rate. I was able to claim the balance (approx $3,000/year) until the Carpetbagger-in-Chief and his spineless republican henchmen gave tax breaks to the 1% and took our deductions away.

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With the government changing tax laws to not allow business related expenses what does everyone on here think the personal cost of non-reimbursed business expenses cost a salesman?  Also, are there any national broad line food distributors that reimburse any expenses?
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Depending on what state you live in, that will determine much of what a distributor might reimburse for. I have heard differing plans from all the major broad liners that vary state to state. I know many USF and PFG houses are on Motus for mileage/car expenses. I think Sysco does the same or something similar. And as formerdsr says, your state may or may not allow you deduct the difference after that. Many states will also allow you to write off business expenses as well. Unfortunately, the federal law changed 2-3 years and that screwed a majority of us in sales who were accustomed to writing those expenses off federally as well. 

Some places provide cell phone stipends, or in some cases I've heard of them even providing one for you if you want to take advantage of that. Some will reimburse or provide, printer ink, paper, and basic office supplies as well. I've been around long enough where places you to pay for all of this as a common practice, then they stopped paying for almost everything, and now are back to paying for much of it again. Full circle.


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Phone and 32 cents a mile here
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sysco give squat unless you are business resources and maybe a specialist. Salesmen (people) get no mileage, no tolls, no cell phone allowance.
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We actually do better under the new tax code

They doubled the general exemption from $12k to $24k. I don’t come close to $24k in expenses.

Even with car gas etc

Was spoiled at my last job with company vehicle, expense account etc but I make so much more at the new job my lifestyle is much nicer

Still getting a few thousand in tax returns

3 kids!! Changing! Mama’s little tax credits!
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Which PFG houses use Motus
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We actually do better under the new tax code

They doubled the general exemption from $12k to $24k. I don’t come close to $24k in expenses.

Even with car gas etc

Was spoiled at my last job with company vehicle, expense account etc but I make so much more at the new job my lifestyle is much nicer

Still getting a few thousand in tax returns

3 kids!! Changing! Mama’s little tax credits!
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Where did you work and where are you now? I'm currently working for an independent- and the only people getting mileage are "managers" - (which we never see - because they are honestly not working very much). I really thought moving over to an independent was the answer. Not so much. There is autonomy but almost zero support from management and a plethora of trans/ops issues. It's hard to make money when you are the third or fourth wheel in every account. My manager has never even met any of my customers so I am left to do all the damage control on my own - and he is a complete narc who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and controls the flow of the information you are allowed to get. I need to find another opportunity and fast before this sinking ship goes down.
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winenot.. sounds like you just have a shitty sales manager. I work for an indie and we have plent of random problems.. and no expense account or mileage... but my manager would take a bullet for me. Also 21% flat commission with reasonable pads. I've only been there 1.5 years, so I'm still reliant on tick down salary... but I think at the 4 year mark I should be well into the 6 figures. 


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Where did you work and where are you now? I'm currently working for an independent- and the only people getting mileage are "managers" - (which we never see - because they are honestly not working very much). I really thought moving over to an independent was the answer. Not so much. There is autonomy but almost zero support from management and a plethora of trans/ops issues. It's hard to make money when you are the third or fourth wheel in every account. My manager has never even met any of my customers so I am left to do all the damage control on my own - and he is a complete narc who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and controls the flow of the information you are allowed to get. I need to find another opportunity and fast before this sinking ship goes down.
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That is awesome!!! Yes, my manager is totally ineffective. He doesn't even have a food service background and was hired from another industry, which I think is part of the problem. Sounds like you found a great situation!! I am trying to stay positive that my current situation will either turn itself around or another opportunity will present itself.
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Winenot, I only had two or three district managers who were were really effective and helpful in 42 years. Some were micro-managers who tried to tell me how to do my job. Some were just clueless.

With the advent of Salesforce and other CRM programs, you got to see who the real managers were, and who just sat and looked at your entries all day.

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Winenot, I only had two or three district managers who were were really effective and helpful in 42 years. Some were micro-managers who tried to tell me how to do my job. Some were just clueless.

With the advent of Salesforce and other CRM programs, you got to see who the real managers were, and who just sat and looked at your entries all day.
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I can totally see how Salesforce could expose who was doing what. I had to deal with that in my past life. My company has a CRM program but nobody is using it and there is no push to change that. I have dealt with micro managers in the past as well and they can be deadly ! My current DSM is what I guess they call a macro manager- because he's literally uninvolved, never available and uninterested in any of us. It seems his only priority is himself and protecting his power base. I know that we currently have the lowest unemployment we have ever seen in our lifetimes, so it's a job hunters market. I think we all need to use that to our advantage and not get stuck in a dead end situation.
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