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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/minimum-wage-strangling-seattle-restaurant-202018092.html
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Shocking!!!!!!    not
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Sadly, this is just the beginning of a very ugly trend that will take place in major metropolitan markets sooner rather than later
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Or Wall Street controlled food distributors could remove the false 20% add ons to their food prices, thereby removing a multi billion dollar annual hidden tax against these same poor poor operators.  

It appears even flooding this country with cheap Mexican slave labor cannot save us. It's such a shame,  people should work for what the market will bear, not some socialist government handout, right boys? 
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I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasoning behind NOT paying servers minimum wage. Just because you receive tips (unpredictable source of pay) doesn't mean you shouldn't be entitled to the same as the rest of the state employees who can earn min wage. Can someone explain to me why making tips should off-set or equal minimum wage? What's the purpose or reason restaurant employers can get away without paying you enough to live? 
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I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasoning behind NOT paying servers minimum wage. Just because you receive tips (unpredictable source of pay) doesn't mean you shouldn't be entitled to the same as the rest of the state employees who can earn min wage. Can someone explain to me why making tips should off-set or equal minimum wage? What's the purpose or reason restaurant employers can get away without paying you enough to live? 


On this website you'll find it dominated by "free traders" and/or "religious zealots" who believe little green men hiding under your floor board run everything. The only thing bad to these free market and fundamentalist zealots is "GUBMENT".

See if the GUBMENT sets a floor for wages this eliminates the "freedom" to steal in the mind of these free trade proponents. Over the past 3 decades  our food production and distribution has been taken over by bankers (and foreign bankers at that). And this take over has resulted in multi billions of dollars of debt piled onto the industry and this debt  must be paid by each serving of food.  So given that this usury debt must be paid the only other cost they can think to go after is wages. So that in a nutshell is their argument.

And "Usury" now accounts for about $0.40 on the $1.00 in the food industry. This $0.40 has nothing to do with cost of goods, it's there to cover the  "usury" and other financial overhead charges that occured in the great 3 decades takeover of food production and distribution.

So while the Foodservice Rumors members like "usury" and free markets, they don't like the old United States under Franklin Roosevelt or John Kennedy where things functioned for the majority of it's citizens and living standards improved. 

And a lot of the members here have had their own income cut or challenged because they have to make room for these "usury" payments.  The "add on" pushes away their commission. It's like a big fat guy on the subway sitting next to you but he's so fat part of him ends up in your seat too. 

The con side of this minimum wage argument is identical to the con side of social security, medicare, argument or anything like those programs. These food service kooks would rather let the "markets" decide who lives and who dies.


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Your kidding I knew a lot of servers who made $200 or more per night in tips. $50k+ and wages with a high school diploma ain't that bad.
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Your kidding I knew a lot of servers who made $200 or more per night in tips. $50k+ and wages with a high school diploma ain't that bad.


You didn't answer the question. How many $50K plus salary restaurant workers you know is completely irrelevant. 

And why were at it lets look at your numbers and lets see what percentage of servers/restaurant workers qualify for $50K in tips.

You use 250 selling days , if the waitress/waiter is getting 20% of the check then they're selling $250,000.00 or $1,000.00 per day they work.
If they work a typical 6 hour shift and 4 hours of if takes place during "customers buying food and drink" means they must average selling $1,000.00 per four hour sales shift or $250.00 per hour / 5 days per week. 

If the waitress/waiter is averaging 10% tips then he/she must sell 1/2 million dollars in food/drinks over those 250 working days and they must sell $2,000.00 every four hour shift they work.
That's $500.00 per hour.

This pretty much limits the $50K server to the very upscale restaurants in the trade. 

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Its like being a foodservice rep if you just take orders with no extra effort you make mediocre  pay. If you sell, help your customers move the product you sell them solve their problems and become a partner you make great pay. If your a server and just go thru the motions you will be doing the same average job forever. If you go out of your way to make the dining experience wonderful and up sell apps and desserts you will make great money and will be sought after by the high end Restaurants where you can make the money I previously said. Its kind of common sense.
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It's like being a food service rep if you just take orders with no extra effort you make mediocre pay. If you sell, help your customers move the product you sell them to solve their problems and become a partner you make great pay. If your a server and just go thru the motions you will be doing the same average job forever. If you go out of your way to make the dining experience wonderful and up sell apps and desserts you will make great money and will be sought after by the high end Restaurants where you can make the money I previously said. Its kind of common sense.



My question for you, Retired, are you in the foodservice industry? I think if you were you'd know, the scope of work is not as simple as you're describing. Working with the public isn't as mechanical and requires mental capacity, a personality and the ability to physically carry food trays, drinks, etc., Most of the work is being and staying organized and working at such speed the customer doesn't throw you under the bus for being slow. Fine dining has a different pace, but they aren't always paid their worth either. There are times customers don't believe in tipping, they don't feel you're worth a tip even when you've gone out of the way to do a good job and there are situations where the customer doesn't have enough to pay for both meal and tip. (its a thing) Also, many people are looking for deals, and come in with coupons etc., they tip on the bottom line and not the full price of the ticket before the discount. 


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Has anyone asked the servers which way they'd prefer to be compensated? A higher wage with reduced tips or a lower wage and higher tips per ticket?
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Has anyone asked the servers which way they'd prefer to be compensated? A higher wage with reduced tips or a lower wage and higher tips per ticket?


I've worked in the food industry as a server since the '80s and I don't understand what the 'beef' is about food servers getting equal pay and tips. No restaurant requires its clients to tip the servers. It's optional and based on the service where the customer doesn't have to wait on themselves. They don't have to do anything but sit there while someone runs around getting everything they need. But, if a customer decides they don't want to pay, then you work for the hourly wage. Depending on where you live, or work, servers will only be paid what the server wage is and some fall prey to $3.00 per hour. Not too many people can live off that wage. 

But, the point of them being paid both is ideal for those who want to make food service career and not a part-time job. Yes, there are servers in the industry that make money, but it's not at every venue. 

Why shouldn't the servers be paid minimum wage and recieve tips? What and who does it hurt to have both? More importantly, who does it help? 

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Aren't servers guaranteed minimum wage?  To say - a low wage of $3.00/hour is the wage and tips are then calculated against hours.  My understanding is most municipalities would then up the hourly wage for the period to "real" minimum wage if the tips did not bring the server to, at least, the real minimum wage in the area...

However back to the original topic - the wait staff is the largest group of employees in a restaurant.  The cost to the owner to move that team to regular minimum seems that it would be burdensome and a lot of menu pricing would need to take place.....

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Eve Food Blogger are you in the bis? I was a server in High school and college in the late 70's was a TM and later a MA right after for 32 yrs think I know a little about the rest bis
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Aren't servers guaranteed minimum wage?  To say - a low wage of $3.00/hour is the wage and tips are then calculated against hours.  My understanding is most municipalities would then up the hourly wage for the period to "real" minimum wage if the tips did not bring the server to, at least, the real minimum wage in the area...

However back to the original topic - the wait staff is the largest group of employees in a restaurant.  The cost to the owner to move that team to regular minimum seems that it would be burdensome and a lot of menu pricing would need to take place.....


Not all states offer minimum wage to their servers. Many of the states have what's considered a 'Server's Wage' and is less than the minimum other professions receive. For instance, Colorado uses a min wage of $11.10 per hour and the server wage is $8.00. Therefore the employee relies heavily on the tips as the cost of living here is outrageous (avg. rent is $1350 per month) As you can imagine, most servers work multiple jobs, live with roomies or do something else to supplement income. As far as the owners paying the servers, restaurant chains like Darden don't seem to be lacking in money and hire a crazy amount of servers to cover their demand of personnel. Regardless, their wait staff is paid at such a lower rate, there's huge turnover which also cost the business owners. 

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okay, but doesn't the $8 wage go up if the amount of tips divided by the hours worked doesn't get to the "official" minimum,,,,?



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