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Once again another reason no one can take you seriously! What exactly do you do in the Foodservice Industry? 
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Well if anyone is an expert regarding "hand in ....." it would be you Mr Vertical Integration . You should check the aggregate farm income for 2016. 

Mr Mini Skirt, 60% of principal farm operators work "off the farm" sort of a subsidy for the cartels. Actual farming income earned by farm house holds in 2016 was -$940.00 per farm household (yes they earned negative $940.00 from farming) and estimates for 2018 are projected to be -$1,316.00 in farming income per farm household. Aggregate net farm income is projected to drop another $4.3 billion.



Show me the source.


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Show me the source.



I made up those numbers. Actually I did make an error, the "median" family income from farming is -$940.00 for 2016 and projected to be -$1,316.00  for year 2018.

If you can provide stats that  97% of farming is family owned and farm bankruptcies are but 2 to 3 per 10,000 then cant you find the information you seek?   Try looking under your mini skirt genius.
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Gawd, you are an asshole. 

Why don't you share with the class the additional information you have defining farms and the number of those selling less than $50,000/annually?  

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Gawd, you are an asshole. 

Why don't you share with the class the additional information you have defining farms and the number of those selling less than $50,000/annually?  


By all means you share it , I don't know what you're referring to. But honestly what bigger arsehole is there than you and your mini skirt? I'm still waiting  almost 8 years now for you to clarify your vertical integration comment and yet you ask me to provide you with sources and facts. 

In all these years I think you have corrected my spelling one time and now corrected the phrase "hand in glove". Now that's being an arsehole. If you can share stats on the state of farming ownership (which is driven by your same false beliefs about the consolidation of distributors) and their financial health, then certainly you're checking sources that provide a wider range of stats.

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Hi, again, A hole.  In reverse order:

Not asking you to do my work; I am asking you to provide more than you have.  True to your form, you will not offer additional supportive info for a dialogue and live up to your reputation.

I don't know that you know anything about my beliefs regarding distributor consolidation.

Your request for vertical integration has been asked and answered many times.  In the beginning, I tried to be convivial(look it up) but you would not allow it.  I've asked on more than a couple of occasions - what clarification do you need?  If you answer that, I will answer.

Ask anyone with history on this site/board and they will agree with my perspective on this/these matters but please, continue with your schoolyard bully tactics.  They demonstrate you are not the intellectual you believe yourself to be.  

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Hi, again, A hole.  In reverse order:

Not asking you to do my work; I am asking you to provide more than you have.  True to your form, you will not offer additional supportive info for a dialogue and live up to your reputation.

I don't know that you know anything about my beliefs regarding distributor consolidation.

Your request for vertical integration has been asked and answered many times.  In the beginning, I tried to be convivial(look it up) but you would not allow it.  I've asked on more than a couple of occasions - what clarification do you need?  If you answer that, I will answer.

Ask anyone with history on this site/board and they will agree with my perspective on this/these matters but please, continue with your schoolyard bully tactics.  They demonstrate you are not the intellectual you believe yourself to be.  


Let's go back to your first (and only) commentary:

Only commenting on two items:  1) it is hand IN glove, not and....  2) 97% of all farming is still family owned.  No doubt, big companies have a disproportionate amount of land but still.  And bankruptcies in farming are at a rate of 2 to 3 per 10,000 which, statistically speaking is far less than the general population.  

What a piss ant (look it up) you are. You have no interest, you just saw an small opportunity to land an insult and took it. 

And you've never answered my question. The question is what the hell vertical integration has to do with using rebates to bankrupt smaller producers?  So lets finally have an answer, what does "vertical integration" have to do with the use of kickbacks to bankrupt small independent producers. What is the f-cking connection, genius? Maybe you can conjure up the spirit of Ayn Rand, that might help you. Now you'll deny being an Ayn Rand cultist. 

You suggest I ask others on this site about my bully tactics? Why would I do that, I have already read their opinions and beliefs and they're always without exception wrong. Maybe the ghost of that genius calling himself Taz will return to create another opinion poll? That'll get at the truth.

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Eight brief points:

1)  I did not see "an small opportunity".  You haven't an idea of who I am, nor family background and history; which does contain farm ownership to some degree.
2)  Peeling the scab off of what is still a healing wound for you - look at the history.  The origin was your US Foods being fined by the government post in early 2011.  Quite simply, the basis of the government's position is not the same as Steve's linking to Standard Oil.  You, said it was a good call.  
3)  Acknowledging, as I have done a few times, I agree with the prosecution of your original post; I also was saying there is a difference.
4)  So, for all/any who may be interested, look at 1/30/11, 2/3/11 and so on.  
5)  If you can't see my acknowledgement that rebates to one and not all were/are part of the issue, I can't help you.
6)  Simply put - Standard received breaks no competitor received.  This is different than the origin of the thread by you about VASP companies and upcharges. I offered that SO had other advantages they could use, in addition,  and I suspect today, you'll ignore that .
7)  Your classic narcissism is really out of control.  Your words,  not mine - " I have already read their opinions and beliefs and they're always without exception wrong."

Have a good weekend, Punkin'

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Welcome to the "new" food sales model. Cash is king and you pay to play. Cough up sheltered income, marketing funds, food show fees, customer-specific deviations, free samples, and if it doesn't sell, you can go ahead and cover the cost of throwing the product out when it expires. 
This is the most bass-ackwards business I have ever encountered. The "success" of a product has everything to do with what it/the vendor brings to the bottom line, and nothing to do with how the customers feel about it.
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After reading the message from Center of the Plate Guy I wonder why I get the resistance to my statements that sheltered income is the "lone reason" you have Wall Street parasites all over the food distribution business. COPGuy even used the phrase "falsely inflating the cost"

And why do they prefer profits from the buy versus profit from selling?

1. It's a non negotiable fixed upcharge, a hidden tax against their customers. 
2. It steals commissions from the sales rep (lowers their sales cost)
3. It covers up the true cost of distributor consolidation (26% + cost isn't a true markup. It's likely twice that markup)
4. Hidden income stream that can be utilized to buyout more distribution channels and further increase the game of "toll roads". 
5. It helps to consolidate the supplier base as well. More business in fewer hands. 
6........


Great Post! This is the simple truth!

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